Is climate changing?

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  1. whybother

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    Speaking of the social climate regarding sexual harassment?

    Lots of news lately about lots of bad behavior by well known people.

    Do you think we are making progress?
     
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    Personally, I think that people tend to compartmentalize news like this. They look at harassment as only a Hollywood problem or a journalism problem and not as a more general workplace problem.
     
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    I applaud the courage it takes for the victims to step forward.
     
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    Hopefully. The whole Weinstein story broke a while ago and it's still a very relevant topic with new reports coming out almost daily from various fields (not just in show business). So it's not being treated as one of those "let's be outraged for two weeks, then forget it happened" cases. It should help change things as long as these celebrities aren't given the chance to rebuild their careers, people keep coming forward with their experiences, and they keep naming names when they do. People that knew it was happening and did nothing should also be facing the same consequences. None of this stuff has ever been a secret. They just didn't want to come forward to confirm that it's true until now (because they had to). It will also help for people that don't work in show business. If these beloved celebrities are being permanently torn down, it will be hard for anyone else to be able to keep getting away with it.

    It needs to start becoming a bigger deal when elected officials are called out though.
     
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    I'd like to think it is, as more allegations come out against more celebrities, and as long as people are encouraged to bring their stories to light. Just recently, I can think of them coming out against...

    Harvey Weinstein
    Louis C.K.(who admitted the stories were true earlier today)
    Sepp Blatter(former FIFA president)
    Kevin Spacey
    Roy Moore
    Steven Seagal
    Charlie Sheen
    Larry Nassar

    ...and I'm sure there's several more I'm missing. We live in a culture where celebrities are treated as idols, and we worship them as if they can do no wrong. This is just proof that people(especially men towards women) will do a lot of fucked up shit when they believe they can get away with it and not suffer any consequences. That's why it's so important to explicitly name them.
     
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    YES! sexual climate is changing very rapidly.
     
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    I'll think we're making progress when jokes are at least 50-50.

    Nowadays, every joke is on women. This is the stuff children hear and an inoffensive looking way to mine women's confidence and to make boys grow up thinking that all female things are good for a laugh, not deserving of respect.

    I've said it before, but I'll repeat myself. Joking and humor is fine, but it stops being funny when the laugh is always on the same group of people.

    Ridiculing women is so common place, nobody gives it a thought.

    Every woman feels like being part of a minority, even though in most countries we make up more than half of the population and almost half of the work force, in spite of the "burden" of bearing children. I mean "burden" as in something that's energy and time consuming, not as in implying it's a bad thing.

    It's accepted that we earn less money even when doing the same job. And it is accepted that money is the only measure for accomplishment.

    Now, everybody loves having a laugh calling women hormonal. But, really, when will we begin to hear jokes about hormonal men? Take a look at the track record of testosterone. It makes poor estrogen shame.
     
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    In my house it has changed from chance of F5 Tornado, to a cold front, to an eerie calm in a matter of days.
    :confused::eek:;)
     
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    Garrison Keillor the “Prairie Home Companion” guy? Really?!?:confused:o_O:eek:
     
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    I miss the days when people I liked died, now they turn out to be dirtbags.
     
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    It's a MYTH about unequal pay. THAT is what is researched as being fact.

    www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/amp/

    Yes, the median income is lower, which is completely different than different pay for the same work. And if women made 77% of what men make then why aren't more men unemployed than women? I mean, if that's true, if I owned a business, I'd fire all of my male employees and hire females so I could save 23% on labor.

    And I can't remember the last time I heard a joke against women.

    I respect women as equals. My supervisor is female, and I couldn't be happier. The feminist movement thrives on perpetuating victimhood...if women were treated fairly they'd have no reason to exist. The motivation is there to perpetuate sexism, the original idea has been lost to $$$.
     
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    I want to see a humanist movement.
     
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    It isn't about feminism. It's about humanism. What the mother does, her level of education, etc, is a sort of predictor for what children will do. Children of both genres.

    Societies that are level (man-women, minorities...) have less problems. For all.
     
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    Did anyone see what Angela Lansbury said regarding this?
    I am 57 and I can tell you there was a ton of crap going on in the workplace and has been forever. There are serious issues right now if people honestly think that men are the only ones guilty.
    Look at the crap Hollywood puts out and women continue to show more and more.
    Look at the music industry and the outfits they wear. Most of them can't even play an instrument T&A got them where they are.

    I worked with a woman and her keyring said mean people suck and nice people swallow.
    It has to be both ways folks. Sexual harassment is everywhere and both sexes are doing it and have been for years.
    I worked at a place where this one young woman would openly tell jokes to a room full of guys about cum on a woman's face. She ended up filing for sexual harassment and the owner of the business paid her off.
    She did this three times before one company finally had the balls to shut it down and they made a fool out of her in court. Exposed the slut she was and the manipulator she was.
    It's two sided folks. I hate people hurting women and children but this is getting out of hand.
     
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