Windows VISTA

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  1. HerHubby

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    I see where Microsoft is finally releasing VISTA. Will they have a package which will enable XP users to upgrade to VISTA? Secondly, would upgrading to VISTA be a good or bad idea for the next couple of years? Back when they released Windows 95, I had a "dinosaur" computer and, while it accepted it, Windows 95 was a huge memory hog and really slowed down my old computer and caused problems. Anybody know what to expect from VISTA? I speak, of course, what should REALLY be expected from VISTA without regard to the company propaganda. :ugh


    Microsoft to Release Pro Vista on Thurs.
    November 30, 2006 12:35 AM EST
    NEW YORK - For the first time in five years, Microsoft Corp. is finally unveiling a new system for operating personal computers. Now the company must persuade PC buyers that the launch really matters to them.

    Beginning Thursday, businesses that buy Windows licenses in bulk have first crack at the new operating system, called Vista. Consumers can get Vista on home PCs beginning Jan. 30.

    Microsoft and computer vendors contend that Vista will make Windows machines more secure, powerful and graphically dynamic, especially when combined with other products Microsoft is releasing simultaneously. Those include new back-end server software for businesses, as well as Office 2007, which brings sweeping changes to widely used programs such as Word, Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint.

    Much is at stake for Microsoft. Most of its revenue and almost all of its profit comes from Windows and Office, funding the company's sexier ventures in video games and music players.

    But even with all the touted improvements, analysts expect Vista to only gradually emerge, especially in big organizations where upgrading can be a costly, complicated affair. Gartner Dataquest predicts that it will be 2010 before Vista outnumbers the previous operating system, Windows XP, on business computers.

    A company with 10,000 employees, for example, likely has 1,000 business applications, many of which need to be tested on Vista before a company can switch its PCs to the new operating system, said Gartner analyst Michael Silver. That process often takes 12 to 18 months and lots of labor by the technology staff. (In other words, for a large business to implement Vista right away would probably require it to have been an eager-beaver type that experimented with Vista during its "beta" phase that began in mid-2005).

    In the meantime, the last operating system, Windows XP, works just fine for most companies - especially with a security-enhancing patch known as Service Pack 2 that Microsoft released in 2004.

    PC makers say Vista will enable computers to do things that previously were difficult or costly. For example, Lenovo Group Ltd., the world's No. 3 PC maker, says Vista greatly enhances data-backup tools it builds into its machines.

    "All those capabilities are going to be one step better with Vista," said Clain Anderson, Lenovo's director of software peripherals.

    But many buyers want more dramatic reasons to change their PCs.

    Kamal Anand, chief technology officer for TradeStone Software Inc., a Gloucester, Mass.-based provider of supply-chain software, examined test versions of Vista and Office and found "no compelling need" to upgrade his company's 100 PCs and laptops anytime soon. Instead, Anand expects Vista and Office to slowly permeate TradeStone as it buys new PCs for employees in coming years.

    "Nobody wants to go through the extra time and effort and money to upgrade an existing, well-working system," he said.

    The programs in Office 2007 have been overhauled in many ways. Generally they can make it easier for people to collaborate on documents and to manage information from multiple sources. Excel in particular packs a wallop, with vastly increased number-crunching abilities. The Outlook e-mail program performs noticeably faster searches for tidbits buried in messages.

    Some Office programs also have scrapped their familiar menu structure in favor of a "ribbon" atop the screen that reorders how command choices are presented to the user. While that new interface unlocks many features that were hard to find in previous generations of Office software, it will require some time to get used to, which might give tech buyers pause.

    Another potential drag for Office is that the world has changed considerably since the last major release in 2003. Inexpensive, open-source alternatives to Office have gained traction. And rivals such as Google Inc. are increasingly delivering spreadsheets, word processing and other tools for free over the Internet, an attractive choice for smaller companies.

    At Tabblo Inc., a Cambridge, Mass.-based startup that lets people assemble, print and share online photo collections, CEO Antonio Rodriguez expects to upgrade many, though not all, of the company's 25 PCs to Vista throughout 2007. Tabblo's staff expects Vista to make it easier to back up files and synch data over multiple computers. Rodriguez and crew also have energetically adopted Microsoft's latest Web browser, Internet Explorer 7.

    But Office 2007 holds few such attractions for his company. Tabblo employees have largely abandoned Excel and Word for free programs on the Web, praising the flexibility that comes with having files stored online. Just about the only Office program Rodriguez still uses is PowerPoint for presentations.

    "To me, Office 2007 is a complete non-event. I have no interest in an upgrade," he said. "Most of what I like about computing now lives online."

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    On the Net:

    Microsoft's guide to Vista:

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista

    Copyright 2006 The Associated Press.
     
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    I have a vista skin for my XP, no way am I "upgrading".
     
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    I saw Vista in action at school. I gotta admit, I was thoroughly disappointed... and this is NOT because of my Linux background. I tried my best to accept Microsoft's new piece of software, but somehow I was just looking at it like... what the hell?

    The way the menu system is set up is completely different. Think about this. When you go from my computer-C drive-aim-plugins-this-that-this-that each time it opens up a window. Microsoft decided this time around, they'd morph it into one. Sure, sounds like a way to keep window screens at a minimal, but the way they organized them and their "back" feature wasn't completely polished. That one little thing urked me so much it made me think... what in the hell were they thinking?

    Also.. unless you have 1 gig of RAM on your machine or more, there's no way you'll be able to run Vista without an assload of lag. Vista is power hungry for memory due to the insane amount of useless eye candy it has to constantly load, it's semi transparent windows and skins, and the animation in some areas.

    The one thing I liked about Vista is the fact it loads entirely onto memory. When you put the machine to sleep through the operating system, it's loaded entirely onto RAM. Your hard drive slows down and comes to a stop. If you move the mouse, the screen instantly lights up, however it takes about 5 seconds for your hard drive to hit max speed. So when you're looking at the screen already lit up, only then do you hear the slowly increasing whining sound which is your hard drive coming up to speed. In short: It's time to boot up from sleep mode has been increased. Cool feature, but due to it's other "cons" I've seen, it's certainly nothing to drop the money on. Besides, my monitor at home is limited. If the computer goes to sleep, my big ole still bright 7 year old flat screen CRT monitor still takes a good 8-10 seconds to max out it's brightness. So for me, personally, that feature wouldn't even matter because of my monitor's slow load speed. :lol

    As far as Windows goes, I'll stick to 2000 Professional. I downloaded a keyless copy a while back that I threw on a 30 gig partition for games. I used to have a cracked XP copy, but I have no idea where the disc went, and when I upgraded drives I had nothing to use for Windows... which I unfortunately needed since I play a few games Linux doesn't support.

    But besides that, I'm with bluenavigator. Linux all the way. :)

    Oh, and a little edit - I scrolled up and noticed some talk about Office 2007. No idea what it's going to be like, however if anybody wants a free edition of office, try www.openoffice.org. Openoffice is an open source (Linux style) version of MS Office. It has its own version of word, excel, powerpoint, and access. It looks nearly identicle, and I personally prefer it. I use it on Linux at home and on my Windows machine at school.

    Important Note - If you create a document in MS Office, you CAN open it in Openoffice. However, if you create a document in Openoffice, you CANNOT open it in MS Office unless you go to save as, hit the drop down box, and select the proper file type... which in my case is "MS Word 97/2000/XP". (Word can be replaced with Excel, Powerpoint, etc.) Just a little tip. :)
     
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    Thanks! Yo' de MAN Jayce!! ;> And, based on what you're telling me (which I greatly respect), I think I'm gonna do like A1 and stick with XP for the foreseeable future! Maybe if I get a new computer, at somepoint, with a HUGE amount of RAM, then I'll have VISTA. Give 'em some time to work out the bugs and so forth too! Thanks again for your expert opinion. And, who knows? Maybe you'll convert me to Linux yet, ha, ha! ;>
     
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    No one with a milligram of computer sense would even consider installing the Vista operating system, especially not version one.
     
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    Words of wisdom! However, if I was single, I'd have you as my background wallpaper and screensaver too! ;>