Vogue Magazine

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  1. AHappyWife

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    I was just reading a thread that said a Presidential candidate wants to "bann porn." There is no link to prove the candidate actually said and means that, but it reminded me of a Vogue Magazine I saw yesterday at Aveda Institue. I was getting my haircut and talking to the stylist about coming in next week for some type of hairstyle to surprise my hubby for our anniversary. I want to look a bit different than I do everyday.

    She brought me a Vogue and we were both shocked to see all the topless chick pics! Page after page. When did they go softcore?

    Also, some of the models looked like major drug addicts!! Even Madonna is smoking a particular type of drug pipe. Not for pot, but maybe opium or hash?

    I don't know why these things are okay and considered the norm. I'm no prude, but the magazine has gone so far beyond fashion it's unreal. It's only a matter of time before we accept full nudity with legs wide open in fashion rags.

    What's your opinion on it? And please let me know if you have children. I'm interested to know if it makes a difference to those who do vs don't.
     
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    havent seen the mag but theres a big difference to me between nudity and porn....
     
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    I absolutely couldn't agree more. There is a HUGE difference between nudity and porn. Porn is sexual in nature. Nudty is art.

    What they are doing in the magazine is nude "art" all be it different then what you're used to, it's not soft core.
     
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    I agree with Blue. Big difference. This mag is just looking to sale more and using the old "sex sales". If the Picts are tasteful- maybe ok. If the reader base is looking at only fashion then they should be careful.
     
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    This.

    I think we really need to get over the demonization of nudity really. Granted I can kind of understand the shock of seeing nudity in a magazine that didn't used to have it, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. Right now due to the way our society is, it's hard to separate sex from nudity, because we almost only ever see the 2 together, even though they aren't mutual. If we could learn to accept nudity without immediately thinking sex, I think we'd be better off. It has to start somewhere though.
     
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    When I see someone nude, I think of sex. Not art. Art is totally subjective. A nude body isn't. To me anyways.

    I don't demonize anyone for what they want to do with their bodies in their own home, but I don't want to live in a society where nude media or walking around nude is just fine.

    I love the male body. However, I would not be agreeable to a naked guy on a commerical selling me a product or going to the grocery store and seeing nude people walking around! Or kids going to school naked. Or whatever.

    Vogue was a fashion magazine. Not an art magainze. They are openly selling and promoting products via nudity and drugs. I don't find it progressive or socially responsible in any way. Per wikipedia, it's description of softcore porn matched what I saw in the pictures. Nothing I can do about it though. Thanks for sharing your opinion!!
     
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    So are you telling me that two of the most famous sculptures in the world got it wrong? That Michaelangelo and Rodin just sculpted sex and nothing more? Doubtful. While it is subjective, to say that nudity means sex is...I have nothing nice to say.

    There are few hot button topics for me, Art and nudity are one of them.
    Art is a passion I've had for quite some time and the phrase a nude body isn't art and can only be sexual is absolutely sickening.
     
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    So all of those statues and paintings from centuries ago that show breasts and penises and such are just a form of porn to you then?

    And this is why, for now, we have naturist colonies and nude beaches. Some (most) people (at least here in good ol' puritanical US of A) can't wrap their heads around the fact that nudity != sex anymore than guns/knives == murder, etc. Many other countries are fully capable of not treating casual nudity as a weird or inappropriate thing, men on nude beaches don't run around with boners, leering at the nude women. This is almost uniquely a problem in the USA alone.

    Well, as a personal preference that is fine, and I don't think you'll find many people arguing about kids going naked, though I don't think they should be raised thinking nudity is evil. I think that is a true evil.

    The thing is, fashion is art, or rather a form of art. Now I can't say whether or not they're actively promoting anything with drugs, but they may very well be doing so with the nudity, I don't know. But if the pages involve nude women wearing designer items and the pose isn't overtly suggestive, then I'd argue it isn't using sex at all. But then again, isn't the point of much fashion to also be sexy, or attractive at the least?
     
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    i agree 100%....damn fig leaves....
     
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    The human body can be a natural thing of beauty. Just like we can look at and admire some animals and so should we about the human body.

    And when I look at an animal the last thing on my mind is sex. I'm not that sick,,,, yet.
     
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    o_O I never knew Vogue had topless pics in it. Do you have to be 17 to buy it? I say if you have to be 17, then I see no reason it's not okay. Otherwise that's really strange and they should be more PG13.

    And FYI AHappyWife, the candidate was Santorum and the pipe was almost certainly crack, not opium :p Though I've seen bongs that look like crack pipes before, so it might not be what you think.
     
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    Santorum.. *Gag*
    Bongs that look like crack pipes? I'd like to see that. Some bongs are pretty fucking beautiful..
     
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    Am I the only one tempted to post this link here?
    Madonna - Like A Virgin (video) - YouTube

    The combination of the magazine and the mention of Madonna compelled me

    Hmm, Vogue isn't age limited. I'm not sure, usually the only things allowed to show nudity are education and medical related. It's not like it's pornographic is it?
     
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    I seriously think that the whole distinction between porn and art is completely artificial. Porn is sexual and art is not? Sorry but that is simply not true. Art (even gallery art) can be very sexual. Titian's "Venus of Urbino" was probably deliberately made to make people horny.

    Art can be fantastic, or it can be crap. Calling it art does not make it good. It only means that it is a human product meant to instil some sort of reaction or emotion in the viewer. Porn, even hard-core, qualifies as art.

    By the way, the old-fashioned barber here has Playboy Magazine.
     
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    Ouch! Please don't bite my head off. Discussion is healthy and and so is the ability to share a personal opinion. Right? I don't even think we need to agree to have a positive discussion. On any subject.

    I'm not going to attack your position and ways of thinking. Your free to feel however you wish and I should be afforded the same.

    Do I think the statute of David is sexual? Yes. Is it a masterpiece? Yep. To me, its far, far away from a teenager topless in a modern day magazine selling a product.

    Anyways, I was surprised to see these images in Vogue.
     
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    Actually, I just skimmed the thread, found a thing or two I disagreed with, and posted. I had no idea I was "biting" anyone :)

    The David is great, and a bit sexual, so yes we agree on that one for sure. Michelangelo has several pieces that are a bit homoerotic.

    Oddly enough, apart from the a bit too frequent fake boobs, I think the models in Playboy look healthier than in vogue. Or not so odd, as men generally like a bit more curves than what we see in the fashion industry. On the other hand, Playboy is more obviously sexual than vogue, so I was somewhat surprised to see it in the barber shop. Not that I protested. It's actually a great magazine (seriously, nudity or not, their standards are high, they even print fiction by famous authors well before these stories are published elsewhere).
     
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    Not too long enough we used to see bare nipples in Avon catalogues (advertising anti-perspirants and such). These days they're Photoshopped out. I don't see how a topless woman is seen as porn unless she's in a sexually provocative pose - but then again a fully clothed woman can be just as pornographic.

    I've stripped off and walked along our local nudist beach. No one seemed sexually aroused, everyone was polite and said "hello" as my partner and I walked past. In fact, I felt more at ease there than on a clothed beach. I find some skimpy bikinis to be ruder and and more suggestive than wearing nothing at all.
     
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    It's not abnormal for healthy discussion to become heated. Such is the nature of things that polarize. You (and everyone else) are definitely free to feel as you/they wish, but that doesn't mean anyone has to agree, and they are certainly free to point out any logical errors or posit other opinions or facts as a means of pointing out other views. The only time it becomes a problem is when the attacks become personal.