SOPA, PIPA, filesonic, megaupload

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  1. cutegirl

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    all, you must be aware about the latest debates going on the acts : SOPA & PIPA

    In recent days megaupload.com has been shut down by US gov. Filesonic stopped file sharing service.

    Can you please share your opinion on the same. What is going to happen next? What will be the effects in internet world?
     
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    The internet is going to strike back. Within minutes of megaupload getting shut down, Anonymous shut down the FBI site, the department of justice site, and a ton of other ones. The more the government assaults the internet, the more powerful groups like that will become.
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    I find it sad that 60 year old people are trying to control technology that is younger than their kids.

    The internet is largely responsible for revolutions in other countries, we don't need a violent one, the internet can rally people together very very quickly and reach millions. Obama is the first internet president, if Facebook wasn't around, it would be president Clinton. The old ultraconservatives will slowly disappear because the internet is all about freedom of speech and ideas, and full of young people. The blackout did work:
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    Google and Wikipedia are powerful because they have people, people is supposed to outweigh money.

    FYI, there is already a thread about this, I made it. :p
     
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    I am a fan of this movement and (generally) the bill itself. However, it has been put on hold. I hope it passes; but I know that it probably will not.

    By "fan" I mean that I am pro PIPA.

    These sites deserve to be shut down and we deserve the government taking stringent liberties with the law. People, including myself, have abused the "freedom of speech" hullabaloo for some time now. Not allowing or inhibiting someone from infracting is NOT censorship. Granted, one (an entity or a person) does not have to infringe upon copyright laws while on any site they visit; but shutting down a site thus not allowing them to share information which may not be copyright protected or shared at the permission of the entity with copyright ownership is not censorship. If a site breaks the law, much like is sole entities (individuals), inadvertently or purposefully punishment should not be spared. If I speed without knowing the speed limit- I am still ticketed. If I kill someone with my vehicle I could stand charges for vehicular manslaughter.

    We have all became too comfortable with disobeying the laws the government has put in place to secure sole distribution of intellectual property to gain monies. If for not other reason, I hope this bill (or one like it) passes just to shake things up.
     
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    SOPAthetic.
    If PIPA passes, we can kiss this site and other porn sites goodbye.
     
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    Essene, I don't want to argue, but I'm just curious if you actually read SOPA? The government already has the ability to shut down sites that pirate material. SOPA holds anyone who even linked to it accountable. ie, Google could be shut down because you searched for something that landed on a blacklisted site. Google's algorithm is content blind, it would be next to impossible to filter it.

    No one is against punishing copyright violators, but SOPA extends the reach too far over fair use. Where did you get your avatar? Under SOPA, SexualForums could be shut down if it's a copyrighted image, and Rob could face huge fines and jail time. My avatar is from the Pink Floyd movie "The Wall," I just modified it to put a US flag over the hammers. I'm betting 90% of SF members have copyrighted avatars, we use them under the freedom of fair use.

    The author of the bill was recently caught with a copyrighted image on his own page. I'm just saying its that easy to make a mistake and the bill has too much room for abuse.

    Under SOPA, someone using a Michael Jackson song on their website can get a maximum of five years in prison. The doctor who killed him got four. Just saying.
     
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  6. Essene

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    That's fine. Quite a few (if not all) porn sites infract as well.

    I can't believe the mentality of people. It's like the people who get upset when they get busted for having and/or using drugs. It's like a child who thinks it's unfair that they were grounded after getting caught using their parents car. I think people need to mature and not expect facets of life for free without consequence especially when it's harming an industry. If there was a fleet of people who any of us didn't know using our housing resources (utilities, living areas, food, etc...) we wouldn't be a fan. We would call the police and expect for the situation to be handled.

    Quite often people seem to adore laws that we have until it inhibits something that they do illegally.

    Ninja. Yes I did. I would neither be a fan nor an enemy if I hadn't. I've also read and watched many people's different views on the matter. I'm well aware of the governments ability to shut down sites. I like that these bills would allow for the extension of that ability to sites outside of our US domain as well as virtually protect those seeking retribution for the infringement.

    This over-use people speak of is a retaliatory action for the blatant misuse (I am guilty of this aw well) of file sharing sites, piracy sites, etc over the years. Slaps on the wrists don't help. It's easier to prove someone pirated information. What isn't easy to do is prove someone killed some one and to what degree, exactly, they did it (if they did it) in.

    Using a still photo (without giving that whole "this is not my material/intellectual property/what have you) or any information isn't supposed to be legal either. Permission from the creator/owner should be garnered before use. Unless if it is for private use (and not meant to re-publish), there are licensing laws associated with the usage of materials just like with any other form of media or medium of presented legally owned publications. Unless, of course, the owner fails to follow guidelines for use and re-publications.
     
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    If you use the court system, you can have copyrighted material taken down, with a court order. Here is a great example of that happening. Remember when John McCain was running for president? His campaign commercials used songs by Jackson Brown, John Mellencamp, and Talking Head without their permission. He was sued by all three of them and was forced to stop running the commercials.

    More recently Tom Petty went after Michele Bachmann for using his music without permission.

    Last thing I'm saying, I know how you feel Essene, I literally just finished suing a website over their use of something I owned.
     
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    I'd find it hard pressed for this law to pass. It's very unpopular with the masses. If it doesn't pass, I respect the decision. I'm a fan of the bill; but I wish there was more of a representative decision the people could take in it as apposed to solely allowing our represented officials make those decisions for us. However, it's the way it is.

    I haven't ever had that happen, save for someone pretending to be me on facebook once and once on MySpace. I didn't feel too happy about that.
     
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    The people are being represented on this one. The people clogged the phone lines for days over this bill, until the 19th, congress had overwhelming support for the bill. I think you are saying that you don't like the opinion of the majority, but like to see congress actually listening to them for once? I can relate, I didn't want a lot of Bush laws to pass, but the people supported him. You find yourself being on the loosing opinion sometimes, it's the other edge of democracy :/

    I rely on file sharing sites for some of my business. I've read a December draft of SOPA, it puts too much responsibility on the site owner. Small sites wouldn't have the resources to compete and they are the ones who tend to develop algorithms out of necessity. I wouldn't want Rob to get hit with fines and jail time and have SF taken down because of a member's avatar.

    Piracy needs to be dealt with, I hate constantly harassing and suing people over stolen software, but SOPA is like using a nuke to squash a guy selling bootlegs. I also believe that it will be ineffective, most file sharing is computer to computer, not website to computer. No amount of web censorship is able to stop that, the right way to protect property is by locking it correctly, Hollywood should invest in Apple and Sony to invent new locking algorithms, not congress. It's not impossible, software already has this mechanism. Windows for example is nearly impossible to pirate.

    Lets agree piracy needs to be dealt with, and agree to disagree about how this bill handles that. :)
     
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