Sex sells vs including females in nerd culture?

Discussion in 'General Sex Discussion' started by kunoichi, May 11, 2012.

  1. kunoichi

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    first of all sorry I haven't been on... I just couldn't think of anything to say but I think I've hit the jackpot with this one.

    basically I find that there is a thin line that comic books, movies and video games are trying to stand directly on in order to get as many readers as possible. a good example of this would be the game beyoneta. a bad example of this would be clearly anything that borders on porn. my question is. why are they trying to do this. one sometimes they get ti right like with bleach's halbel but in doing so alienate half the human population. heck I've even seen things that clearly alienate me as a guy and I like staring at sexy women. yes sex sells. yes you need to expand the audiences to include new people. so why are they trying to have it both ways.

    well threee more questions.
    1. what games comic, books, or movies have you enjoyed where the sex sells thing has worked.
    2. is there ever been a series where your like ok that so sexual it insults you,
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    3, has there ever been a series where they've had their cake and teit to on this
     
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    I don't pretend to understand your post but yes sex can sell pretty much anything.
    There is nothing like sex to rivet people's attention so once that achieved then the product.
    Easiest formula in the world!
     
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    thanx for at least trying.
     
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    I would never feel embarrassed for enjoying a comic, cartoon our any other type of visual entertainment that uses sex to sell. I'm naturally going to be more interested in something that has "fan service" than something that doesn't. Of course, sexiness doesn't guarantee a good storyline or solid characters.
     
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    thats always true. but o you feel that most of that stuff alignates half the human race.
     
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    What I sometimes dislike is when comics or games are "sneaky" about it. They have people in skimpy clothing and sexy poses all over the place, but the story is NOT about sex. That usually doesn't work. I do like how they do it in Artesia (the comics and tabletop RPG). It's often sexy, but mostly when there is actually sexy hanky-panky going on.

    Women are more often portrayed in visually sexy ways compared to men, but that may be because men are more attracted to visual cues. I'm pretty sure it doesn't alienate half the population though. Just like us guys can admire James Bond because he's handsome, cool and great with the ladies, so do many women admire sexy heroines. I don't know exactly why women don't play more video games or read more comics, but I don't think it's because of this. Could be simple; men and women aren't always attracted to the same things. I don't see many women building model trains either.
     
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    actually I will disagree with you on that point a slight bit. mainly because if everybodies brains were 100% male or female then you've probably just gotten rid of individuality as well. the point is I hear from a lot of youtuber{yes I know a bad source but} that women are being put off by these thifs because if this. this isn't a problem if you don't considered that a medium needs to grow in order to evolve. just like with Japanese cartoons. they used to be japanese but know there are mostly for a foreign audience. without that drive to evovle and pump "fresh" and "new" into anything the stuff just gets old.

    on a side note/a bit off subject:the other reason i mention this Is I am a bit of a middle brained person. although i love sexines. I have to disagree that putting it as the main motive{lest it be a porn} as the main driving factor of a story. I love itt when there sutal. {sorry for buchering a word.} basically I find myself playing the female characters in games because I love 2 different things. tuff and feminine. in fact thats what I strive to be and look like in life.{so far I failed} think laura croft.
     
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    Well, notice that I wasn't talking 100%. I said "men and women aren't always attracted to the same things", which is actually pretty well documented by now. The difference being that I'm talking trends, not individuals. When women do like a certain product (e.g. novels) they have no problem with carving out a market for themselves. It is usually not difficult to see that some novels are meant for women. There are fewer comics for women, I think that for some reason women tend to be less interested, but they CAN find things that are NOT the way you describe, and I am pretty sure that "Strangers in Paradise" sells at least as much to women as to men (and it IS sometimes sexy). But comics in general tend to sell more to men. Finally, the model trains? If I make a web search I am sure I will find a woman somewhere who is interested, but such women are pretty unique. But unique is also cool. Who wants to be perfectly average anyway? But there is no doubt that, for whatever reason, it appeals more to men, and it has nothing to do with sexist portrayals of women.

    I know exactly the reactions you talk about. Some sites have more of it than others. People who are easily offended tend to be very loud online. I know one tabletop RPG gaming website with a strong feminist bent. I once took a topic that they found "highly problematic" and discussed it with women here, but then suddenly no-one saw what the problem was. There are also several women around in these forums who enjoy pictures of sexy women by the way. I also know a lesbian girl who seems to like it as much as I, but yeah, sometimes it just seems too phony and out of place.

    Not sure I get what you're saying here. You like to be tough and feminine? And why can't sexiness be a main motive for a story, even if it's not porn?
     
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    I wqas just chatting a little with that last part. a few ideas in my head.. buttt... when it comes to stories that have sexual stuff in them. I tend to think there are three kinds.

    1. being sexual stories with action and adventure{there ok but the tend to revolve around sex not that that's a problem but I tend to like my stories to be the following}
    2. action dramas{could be any genre there] that happen to have sexual stuff in it.{think beyonetta} as a non plot driven fan service way. in other words as a bonus.} this tends to add the affect of realisom even when the characters and situations clearly wont happen in real life. that difference is like the toonami versions of outlaw star versus the regular versios. one had better visual appeal but kept raming the whole we use sex terms every second in your face every other second. the toonami version was just that but pg afied.but compare that to a series like full metal alchemist. where there clearly sexual stuf happening but it not in your face.

    then there is this.
    3. we couldn't write a good story please except this insult to your intelligence.

    p.s. I have two more things to say. one being that full metal alchemisthas very little sexual stuff in it i know buttt when it dose it does it not in your face
     
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    i just thought of a great example of a bad movie that makes my point and it mostly isn't about sex. crank 2. I hate that movie with a vengence. all it wants to be is action porn. It dose nothing to further anything but action in the story and insults my intelegnece. they should have just callled it "bang, things blow up people die the end." compare that to movie like spider man or final fantasy 7 advent children and you might get the point.
     
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    The obvious answer is to include fanservice for the ladies too ;)

    The biggest twist I see during these arguments is that half naked lady is a guys sexual fantasy, but when the game has a guy in a loin cloth, it's just a male power fantasy. Seems like there's no winning to be honest.
     
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    that maybe true... lol
     
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    Yes, they tend to give you a lecture on "false equivalence" if you use that example. Fact is, men often dream about being powerful, and women often dream of powerful men; men often dream of beautiful women, and women often dream about being beautiful. The situation will often be similar but never exactly the same, so you can always throw the "false equivalence" argument in someone's face in a discussion about gender roles (if it fits your purposes).
     
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    I should probably tell the next one that while video-games have a lot of fanservice to guys, the book part of places like Walmart have plenty of fanservice for the ladies. I do believe they are called "romance novels." Though I've heard tales that they are basically porn in literary form.