Russell brand on porn

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  1. Sweetlysad

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    Very interesting read. I don't expect a great reception here but it makes me think. He is right. Porn is not a positive in my life.
     
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    did you agree, disagree or somewhere in between Sweets?
     
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    I agree, I thought it was intersting too. I think he has some really good point.
     
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    I am undecided I think he had some really good points.
     
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    I seldom watch porn. Almost never.

    I think porn makes people feel dissatisfied about their sexual life. You see stuff they do in porn and, though you know it's an illusion, your subconscious is registering all of that. Then you expect your partner to behave like a porn star.

    Men want to have porn star sized penis and stamina. Women feel like they should be accepting all the demeaning stuff porn stars do. Well, in order to be able to go through all that, they use drugs.

    There's the argument that we can make the difference between reality and fantasy. We sure can. But to the level of time some people expose themselves to it, that's a bit complicate.

    But it's the way the world goes. I think fighting these trends is futile. I just don't want it in my head. What other people subject their brains to is no business of mine. I take very good care of my body, brain included.
     
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    But what do you think about Russell Brand's thoughts?
     
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    I get some of his points, but I think accusing porn of destroying intimacy is not necessarily the case. I think fearing porn will inherently put unrealistic expectations on its participants is akin to fearing sports highlights on ESPN will drive people playing sports with their friends to expect Lebronesque performances from their teammates. The "problematic" issues that porn has are more reflective of our culture as a whole. This puritanical depiction of all porn actresses being damaged drug addled victims is probably more misogynistic in of itself. It's that reduction of sexual agency that chides women for being prudes whilst simultaneously punishing them for being whores.
    Maybe people should stop watchng the heavily produced, big studio porn productions, much like Hollywood, big Pharma, D.C., wherever there's big money to be made, someone's going to be taken advantage of. Meanwhile amateur porn continues to celebrate all body shapes sizes, and colors. Women and men get to shed the overbearing gaze of Western Morality, and act out their fantasies and urges in a safe, respected space, and share with any that might enjoy.
    Long story short, if broccoli doesn't do it for you then don't eat it, but don't start urging that no one else should be eating it either.
     
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    I agree with the FUNNY british comedian. That said I do not really 'do' porn, neither does it disgust me though.
     
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    I'm a little confused. Right after you say that the view of porn stars as being taken advantage is puritanical, you say that we should watch amature porn because big money leads to people being taken advantage of. Which is it?
     
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    I'd say both. As this forum demonstrates, there are a lot of sexually exhibitive people, and many, in lieu, or in spite of other marketable skills choose to exploit their passion as a career. We are talking performers that pick and choose their partners, are involved in the production process, and enjoy huge residuals from merchandising and appearances. Its also one the few industries that pays women much more on the dollar compared to men, and vigorously seeks to insure the performer's health and safety.
    Many others travel or respond to ads to find themselves coerced and drugged into explicit and intentionally exploitative acts with minimal compensation, and short shelf life. We can address the latter without dismantling the former.
     
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    I think most people realize that porn is just that....porn. Not real life. It doesn't convey the emotion and true passion that comes with sex. It spices things up giving some new ideas, but that's it.
     
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    Ok now for the other point that Brand makes:

    Have you ever felt that your watching porn in anyway interfered with or distracted you from an intimate relationship?
     
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    Never distracted, porn, no matter how hardcore, cannot compare to the real thing. Interference is a subjective category as it has less to do with my viewing habits, and more with my gfs feelings about porn. My ex gf sucked in most ways possible, but one thing I always appreciated was her attitude towards porn. My current gf, for all her virtuous qualities, has a very judgemental(rooted in either jealousy or insecurity) attitude towards porn...the few times we have watched together, it was pretty vanilla with interracial(specifically bm/wf), being the only "spice".
     
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    Personally, it has not interfered. But I'm not addicted to it. However I know that's not uncommon for porn addiction to interfere with a relationship.
     
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    Here's the other thing; this is a coded gendered issue. Brand may be speaking in generalities, but the overall message is fairly clear: porn makes men have unrealistic expectations about sex and intimacy that women are unable or unlikely to fulfill. But what about storybooks? Romantic/erotic literature, rom-coms, even holidays push female centric fantasies upon the male population en masse, and yet we glady accept that as just another aspect of life.
    Methinks Mr Brand is projecting his own issues upon the totality of hetero male gender, for reasons that most likely involve gaining favor amongst his female counterparts.
     
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    Along the same lines- romantic comedies. Some women expect a man to be the perfect, romantic movie character. Love isn't the way these movies epitomize it!
     
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    LOL. I like that argument. "Love isn't perfect so we might as well objectify women as a mere canvas for ejaculatory pleasures."
     
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    Not exactly what I was saying. Movies vs real life expectations.
     
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    Nonetheless You are missing the point that male actors in rom com's aren't being taken advantage of.