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  1. ninja08hippie

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    I was going to leave without really explaining why I was upset, but so many people have PM'd or emailed me that I thought I'd give SF a chance to appease me. I'll stay if I'm satisfied with the results of this thread.

    1) Where are these rules posted that people tell me about about what's allowed and what isn't? I've been here 3 and a half years and I've never seen them, I just go by the precedences that I've seen.

    2) Can I make a post about marijuana? It's illegal in every state, but most mature people don't think it should be, and I've mentioned it many times without anyone raising an eyebrow. CowboyLover has had multiple avatars depicting marijuana use and no one cared.

    3) Can I make a post about salvia? It's illegal in 20 states, but the USA does not have an official ban on it.

    4) Can I make a post about DXM? It's an recreational hallucinogen and legal in every state.

    5) Can I make a post in support of gay marriage? It's illegal in more states than salvia, but again, the USA does not have an official ban on it.

    I'll stay if #3 and #5 have the same answer (if they don't you have to give a satisfactory explanation of why), #4 is yes, and Mitt posts an apology for being disrespectful to someone who's been here 10x longer than her and admits that she was overzealous. I'll apologize for being a bitch if she does that, but I won't say I was wrong because I wasn't.

    Those who know me well know that I'm very non-confrontational and don't carry-on unless I'm 100% sure that I'm in the right. I like hugs, puppies, and candies, not arguments. So here's my side:

    I don't see why a mature salvia thread is against the rules, but my stoned ramblings in the Bar and Grill are fine. Pot is illegal everywhere, salvia is legal in more than half the states. I see a heavy bias from Mitt against salvia with no reason why. I also don't see why being illegal in some (by not my) state matters; gay marriage is illegal in far more states and if SF has a stance against that, then I sure as hell don't want to be here anyway (I'm bisexual).
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    If you think I was being disrespectful to you for saying you were acting childish by up and leaving over a post being removed, then I'm sorry. My intentions weren't to out and out disrespect you.

    Let me point out YET AGAIN that I was NOT a moderator when the post was removed. I SUGGESTED to the moderators that it be locked for no further discussion as people were moving from a discussion that bordered on breaking the rules TO breaking the rules when the topic of LSD was brought in. One moderator even went as far as to say "I'm actually braking our rules here by discussing illegal activity"

    The removal wasn't done by me, it was done by a fellow moderator.

    I refuse to humor the rest of the questions as my opinion really wont matter in any of this. You're looking for answers by the seasoned vets of the forum so I'll let them give you what you want.
     
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    http://www.sexualforums.com/general-sex-discussion/announcements.html

    That link is listed every time you see one of HardRocker's posts AND when you joined, if you recall, Ryan sent an email or PM to you to tell you to read the rules and please post an introduction before you join in with posting in other forums. (now that I think about it, other mods have used the link to the SF rules in their signatures as well.)

    AND.... the link to the rules is a sticky announcement at the top of EVERY forum. Go look if you don't believe me.

    It is always wise to read the rules of any forum you join. I think you are smart enough to know that.

    Also, I don't recall having multiple avatars depicting the use of pot. I can think of one that I used a long time ago of a cartoon with weed for wings. Even if I did use the avatars it is still not against the rules. An avatar is NOT a discussion and the rule states do not discuss things illegal in the US.
     
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    Salvia discussion does not break any of these rules. I assume local law applies to the local law of the user discussing it and always have.

    I told HR that I was fine with him removing any of the discussion of LSD, as it's illegal everywhere.

    Yeah, CL, you're little emoticon was cute. So posting this picture: [​IMG] is okay, but discussing the drug isn't?
     
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    I just want to point out a few things. It does break a few of those rules. It is in fact illegal within the US. Much like bestiality is not illegal in Florida but it is in other states within the US. So we don't talk about it.

    You also posted that you recommended other members try it. That is recommended intent to break state law depending on where they are. I know that's a bit of a stretch but my first point about it being illegal within the US is pretty valid.
     
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    Like gay marriage?

    The rules say the the United States Government. Florida's ban on salvia is Florida government. "United States Government" implies the federal government.

    Okay, I can change my "everyone should try it" to "everyone should try it legally."


    I'll wait to see what the senior members and staffies say. Mitt, you obviously have some personal vendetta against drug use.
     
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    No, I don't actually, but you're right about the senior members. As I stated before, my opinion doesn't really count worth shit here ;)
     
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    I want your input, it's just that I want senior members and staff members more. I hope you don't take it personally :( Think of it like your town counsel, you want to hear from the people who've lived there for 20 years more than people who just moved there. I hope I'm not coming out sounding like I completely don't give a shit what you think.
     
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    My opinion is not worth much either as I am new here, but I am very involved in other forums and a senior moderator and adm on a large one. I am also not a liberal and I don't believe is some of your wants to discuss but I also fought in Nam for the right to discuss with freedom in this country anything. But as a Mod, there are laws that must be followed or the forum will get shut down. So my thought is to follow the rules, they are there for a reason, but discuss what you want within those rules.
     
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    It's my opinion that everyone's opinion is important. Should my opinion carry more weight just because I've been here longer? I don't think so, seeing as that several new members are far more active.

    That aside, I'll share my opinion on the subject, speaking as a long-time member, a former :sf moderator, and a forum owner.

    Forums need rules to create clear boundaries as to what is and is not acceptable. While anarchists may not agree with that, even the most open forums still impose rules of some sort. Often these rules are in place to prevent legal troubles for the forum owner, and serve to keep the discussion flowing without getting tangled up in flame wars.

    It is the duty of the moderators to interpret and enforce the forum's rules at their discretion. Some moderators may follow the rules to the letter, others may exercise some leniency. Some moderators truly want to make the forum a better place, and others are just hungry with power.

    Because the whole system is based on human judgment calls, consistency can become a problem. Without strong leadership from the site's owners or admins, moderators are often left to their best judgment with how to proceed. Yes they are human, and yes, they can make mistakes.

    Now it's time to get specific... Obviously the reason for all of this is that a topic about drugs was being discussed. As per the rules, and for everyone's own safety, that topic should not be discussed here as drugs such as marijuana and LSD are illegal most everywhere. I do not recall the thread in question, but from what was posted here I can completely understand why it was removed.

    Of course, those who disagree with that are going to cry foul and start making other comparisons to justify their conviction. You brought up some interesting comparisons.

    Salvia is a drug, or so I just found out. I had never heard of it before. It is illegal in many states, and from what I've read, may soon be illegal everywhere. Gay marriage on the other hand, is symbolic of the love shared by 2 people who happen to be of the same sex. It is not 'illegal' to be married, however many places do not recognize gay marriage in the legal sense.

    Now take the topic of this website. This is a sex forum. Our members are here to discuss topics of a loving and sexual nature. It makes sense to me that the staff here would be more lenient towards a topic pertaining to sex than one pertaining to drugs.

    Personally, I don't care what you do in the comfort of your own home. If you want to do weed, LSD, Salvia, 'shrooms, whatever, I don't care. But there is no need to bring that topic of discussion to a sex forum. There are plenty of other forums on the Internet that cater to those particular topics. And I can pretty much guarantee that if you started posting porn on those sites as you would here, your posts would be removed and/or your account would be banned. See what I'm getting at?

    My point is there is a time and a place for everything. It is the site's administration that decided a long, long time ago that illegal drugs would not be discussed here. I really don't see what the problem is.

    On a personal note, as I said before I'd hate to see you leave. I have always liked you, and enjoyed your posts. You have a lot to offer. It'd be a shame for you to pack your bags & quit over something so trivial. While I had nothing to do with this situation, if I was still a moderator, I probably would have removed the thread also. This isn't the first time a drug-related thread was removed, and unless the rules change, I doubt it'll be the last. But I want you to know one thing: There are illegal sexual topics removed just as often.

    Take care.
     
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    I'm sorry. I'll let this go now. I overreacted. I had something very upsetting happen to me recently and I didn't have an outlet for it. I took it out on SF.

    Mitt, I especially apologize to you, I was unfair to you. We were both in the wrong here and I hope we can get past it.

    I hope we can all go back to the way things were before this.
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    Apology accepted. On that note, I'm going to go ahead and close this thread and let it fade away where it needs to be.

    *hugs*
     
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