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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by lbushwalker, Mar 22, 2016.
ISIS must be Eradicated. Pretium innocentiae vindicari !!
too much heart break
If they actually targeted a specific target or individual I could sort of understand. But the whole random murdering of innocent people for no reason whatsoever is insane. They have to be stopped somehow, I just don't know how.
Well, that's a major factor in accomplishing what they want to accomplish: to create a sense of fear and distrust… challenge us to remain free or become a restricted society.
If we give in, they win. That's the hard part... responding without falling into their trap. This requires great strength and courage. I hope Belgium can heal without becoming what groups like ISIS want them—and all "western" nations—to become.
Belgium is a very diverse accepting society, there is no chance of serious polarisation happening.
Them Being such an diverse and accepting society. Is a big part of there problem, They let these Muslims in, These things are going to keep happening. It appears just from watching the news, Many of the Europion countries are having this problem. And it's going to keep spreading, Even to the US. Our leaders have no guts, They let Political corectnes get in the way, Of enforcing Immigration laws. The radical Muslims have only one thing in mind, And that is to Destroy Western society.This is World War 3 Being set up. Killing them off, Is the only solution
I will remind you that there are and have been many extremist Christian groups which have done similar or even worse thing in the recent and distant past.
I refer specifically to the IRA and their opposite numbers in the North of Ireland but in the middle ages the Popes, Bishops and Cardinals where fully into torture and executions of non believers, those of other religions and "witches".
No group is or has been innocent of such carnage but that said such actions is abhorrent and must be condemned and perpetrators brought to justice.
Do no paint all Muslims with a red brush!
For your interest tho' understand that ISIS has killed and maimed many more Muslims that others;
True enough I'll agree with you on all points. But unless The Muslims Themselves, Go after Groups like ISIS, And I'm sure some do. But It's obviously not enough. I just don't see no other way around it, Than war on a big scale. And I know there have been extreme Christian groups, And others. But they seem to be few and far between. Compared to the Muslim groups.
The latest threat. From extreme islamic terrorist...
PARIS (AP) -- The Islamic State group has trained at least 400 fighters to target Europe in deadly waves of attacks, deploying interlocking terror cells like the ones that struck Brussels and Paris with orders to choose the time, place and method for maximum carnage, The Associated Press has learned.
The network of agile and semiautonomous cells shows the reach of the extremist group in Europe even as it loses ground in Syria and Iraq. The officials, including European and Iraqi intelligence officials and a French lawmaker who follows the jihadi networks, described camps in Syria, Iraq and possibly the former Soviet bloc where attackers are trained to attack the West. Before being killed in a police raid, the ringleader of the Nov. 13 Paris attacks claimed to have entered Europe in a multinational group of 90 fighters, who scattered "more or less everywhere."
But the biggest break yet in the Paris attacks investigation - the arrest on Friday of fugitive Salah Abdeslam- did not thwart the multipronged attack just four days later on the Belgian capital's airport and metro that left 31 people dead and an estimated 270 wounded. Three suicide bombers also died.
Just as in Paris, Belgian authorities were searching for at least one fugitive in Tuesday's attacks - this time for a man seen on security footage in the airport with the two suicide attackers. The fear is that the man, whose identity Belgian officials say is not known, will find Abdeslam's path instructive.
After fleeing Paris immediately after the November attacks, Abdeslam forged a new network back in his childhood neighborhood of Molenbeek, long known as a haven for jihadis, and renewed plotting, according to Belgian Foreign Minister Didier Reynders
"Not only did he drop out of sight, but he did so to organize another attack, with accomplices everywhere. With suicide belts. Two attacks organized just like in Paris. And his arrest, since they knew he was going to talk, it was a response: So what if he was arrested? 'We'll show you that it doesn't change a thing,'" said French Senator Nathalie Goulet, co-head of a commission tracking jihadi networks.
Estimates range from 400 to 600 Islamic State fighters trained specifically for external attacks, according to the officials, including Goulet. Some 5,000 Europeans have gone to Syria.
"The reality is that if we knew exactly how many there were, it wouldn't be happening," she said.
Two of the suicide bombers in Tuesday's attacks, brothers Ibrahim and Khalid El Bakraoui, had no known extremist links until an apartment one of them rented was traced to Abdeslam last week, according to Belgian state broadcaster RTBF. Similarly, an Algerian killed inside that apartment on March 15 had nothing but a petty theft record in Sweden - but he'd signed up as an Islamic State suicide bomber for the group in 2014 and returned to Europe as part of the Nov. 13 plot.
In claiming responsibility, the Islamic State group described a "secret cell of soldiers" dispatched to Brussels for the purpose. The shadowy cells were confirmed by Europol - the EU police agency which said in a late January report that intelligence officials believed the group had "developed an external action command trained for special forces-style attacks."
French speakers with links to North Africa, France and Belgium appear to be leading the units and are responsible for developing attack strategies in Europe, said a European security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about briefing material. He is also familiar with interrogations of former fighters who have returned to Europe. Some were jailed after leaving IS while others were kicked out of the terror group. The fighters include Muslims and Muslim converts from all across Europe.
Fighters in the units are trained in battleground strategies, explosives, surveillance techniques and counter surveillance, the security official said.
"The difference is that in 2014, some of these IS fighters were only being given a couple weeks of training," he said. "Now the strategy has changed. Special units have been set up. The training is longer. And the objective appears to no longer be killing as many people as possible but rather to have as many terror operations as possible, so the enemy is forced to spend more money or more in manpower. It's more about the rhythm of terror operations now."
Similar methods had been developed by al-Qaida but IS has taken it to a new level, he said. Another difference with these "external operation" units is that fighters are being trained to be their own operators - not necessarily to be beholden to specific orders from the IS stronghold in Raqqa, Syria or elsewhere.
In the case of Tuesday's attacks, Abdeslam's arrest may have been a trigger for a plot that was already far along.
"This was not put together as a response to the arrest. However the timing of what has happened over the last few days has maybe hurried up the planning and execution," said Magnus Ranstorp, a Swedish security analyst. "I see the link to the environments either in France or in Belgium. Whether they're logistically linked ... they're probably part of the same batch of extremists that have come out of Syria."
Several security officials have said there is growing evidence to suggest the bulk of the training is taking place in Syria, Libya and elsewhere in North Africa.
"To pull off an attack of this sophistication, you need training, planning, materials and a landscape," said Shiraz Maher, a senior research fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation in London.
Maher has conducted extensive interviews with foreign fighters. The research center, based at Kings College in London, has one of the largest databases of fighters and their networks.
"Even if they worked flat out, the attackers in Brussels would have needed at least four days," Maher said.
The question for many intelligence and security officials is now turning to just how many more fighters have been trained and are ready for more attacks.
A senior Iraqi intelligence official who was not authorized to speak publicly said people from the cell that carried out the Paris attacks are scattered across Germany, Britain, Italy, Denmark and Sweden. Recently, a new group crossed in from Turkey, the official said.
The latest new name to surface this week, Najim Laachraoui, turned out to be a Brussels resident with a degree in mechanical engineering - the bombmaker who made the suicide vests used in the Paris attacks, according to French and Belgian officials. Attackers used an explosive known as Triacetone Triperoxide, or TATP, made from common household chemicals.
Fifteen kilos of TATP were found in an apartment linked to the Brussels attackers, along with other explosive material, although Laachraoui has not been publicly linked to the latest attack.
And Laachraoui, like the unidentified man seen wearing a white jersey at the Brussels airport on Tuesday, remains at large, a fugitive link in a chain still being forged.
hmmmm and some wonder why Trump wants to freeze the refugee flood...I support a freeze a 100% until we find out who the hell is coming in. Obama is insane.
Here's my hippie-dippie liberal pacifist take on this matter:
As it relates to Brussels: My thoughts and prayers go out to the people affected by this incident.
As it relates to ISIS and their on-going acts of terrorism/violence: You guys all realize that U.S. and U.N. intervention in Middle Eastern nations... well, I hate to be the one to say it, but you are aware that we pretty much created ISIS, right? We threw all of the men that are now their leaders into camps together and basically made ISIS's first training/recruitment camps.
And it's self-perpetuating. Lots of these young men (because, you know women aren't allowed to fight ISIS's Holy War against all non-ISIS peoples [muslims included]) join the cause due to witnessing their father/brother/cousin/other family member get killed by those labelled as infidels. How many of you would sit idly by and let the people who gunned down your family run rampant and control your homeland? I'm willing to bet exactly 0% of you would put up with that. They may be "in the wrong," but we can all understand where many - most - of them are coming from.
We - "The West" - created this monster. We need to own that and take appropriate nonviolent actions. We also need to not condemn the innocents who are attempting to escape ISIS by blocking them out. To think the answer is "More bombs; less Muslims!" is so... it's just so fucking ignorant and wrong! It literally turns my stomach to see people spouting such xeno-/islamophobic sentiments. The primary targets of ISIS over the course of their existence has been other muslims! It's egotistical and short-sighted to make it out like this is only a war against the West.
Don't believe me on any of these points? You can do the research for yourself - a quick Google search of death/mutilation counts perpetrated by ISIS will show that I'm not full of shit on this. It will show that their leaders all met in prisons we made for them. It will show that many of these "jihadists" (or whatever you want to label them) are fighting because G.I. Joe shot their uncle right in front of them.