Gradualism and extremism is a weird concept

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  1. ninja08hippie

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    Sorry, political / sociological rant. Not looking to argue or anything, just stoned and venting. Ignore following paragraphs unless you want to discuss the sociological concept of gradualism and extremism, not debate economics.



    Gradualism is a concept most people don't understand. The human brain didn't evolve to think long term, for millions of years, society was static. A group of nomads hunting game, not needing to think more than a season ahead. All taking a strict adherence to one principal always goes towards the most extreme version of that principal.

    Think the dark ages. After Rome fell apart, society went from ordered structured roman, to lawless anarchy. People were looting, raping, and plundering, and they scared, so they congregated together for safety in the one common place they went to every week: the church. Christianity was good, it kept people from going completely primal, no one thought at the time how extreme the adherence to the good principal could really go. It was unconceivable that the church that promoted peace and good will towards man would end up being taken over by greedy, selfish, war wongers like pope urban II and the culture would end up on a mindless crusade to exterminate the jews and muslims in jerusalem.

    Most nazi soldiers weren't bad people, the country had just been destroyed by a war, they wanted something stabile. The nazis were a democratic government with an elected leader. Hitler built up the military and helped Spain go through through own revolution. No one knew it was a test run for the military for world domination and purification of the race. They didn't think there was anything they couldn't turn back from, but once the interment camps were built most germans were like "what the fuck just happened?" but they couldn't do anything about it because thats what their media told them that society was now and they didn't have a choice. Most were just kids in their 20s, just as scared as the young soldiers on the other side.

    Don't strictly adhere to anything, if you decide to, think of how extreme it could go, it'll get there faster than you think, and it'll get faster with technology. The church went from all about love to genocide in 600 years, the Nazis were from rebuild the people to world domination in 20 years, the USSR went from everything for the people to building doomsday devices in 30 years.

    Now imagine the most extreme of capitalism. I imagine a world covered in talking billboards, where everything is owned by a handful of individuals who have so much money and media control that they can use computerized psychology to control the masses and (by extension,) the government. I don't think that's outside of a generation away from being possible.

    Capitalism is good, but it needs to be balanced with something else or it can and will go extreme. It's time for a little more socialism, companies have gotten so big that they can raise the real estate prices of locations so that the taxes get so high that small businesses can't afford to start or stay running, that's why everyone says their main street is disappearing, main street in 2050 will be called industrial ave or mall drive.

    Hippies are called paranoid for warning of a corporate takeover of american, but think about the 60s for a moment. Suburbia was local owned, everyone had a local grocery store and a local coffee shop, they had been in business for a decade at least because they were good. Now, suburbia has a walmart and a starbucks. Republicans who called them paranoid, if you showed them todays world then, would have called it a corporate takeover. Young hippies like me fear that either no one will listen, or no one is capable of fixing not the economical, but the sociological issues ahead of us.

    I hope with the internet and the speed of communication now, that we can intellectually avoid the next disaster, but faster communication might favor ignorance over intellectualism. :/
     
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    These days nobody can get away with things that could in the past because of the Internet and Social Media aka Marysville attempted snow job.
    The internet is the great leveller and puts fear in the hearts of those in power, until they own it all that is :(
    Hate to say it but Facebook since having been sold off is a prime example of what was good now no longer.
     
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    Agreed, I remember in the last election, Paul Ryan got his picture taken cleaning dishes at a homeless shelter, which would have been a good thing in 1990, but the conservative think tank didn't take into account that everyone else at the homeless shelter saw them come in, pose, and leave, and they would all post that on twitter.

    I agree that Facebook going public was bad, but people of power don't have to own the internet, they just have to learn how to control it. The GOP doesn't actually own Fox anymore than the Democrats actually own MSNBC, but they can control them completely. Society has changed, the establishment is trying with things like SOPA and CISPA to stop it, but evolution can't be stopped. But once they learn the knew sociological factors at work and the psychology behind them, they'll be able to control reddit as easily as they control Fox.