[Controversial] Are free porn sites legal?

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  1. CaliMike

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    A particular post got my attention, and I thought it would be a good topic to discuss. According to a panel of California judges earlier this year, it is. I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, I do not want sex workers to not make money because that's their job. It is how they put food on the table. I do, however, feel that these movies should be competitively priced with mainstream films. Since those overinflated prices are not working, the production companies should adjust their revenue models to reflect contemporary viewpoints on what is a fair price.
     
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    There are still pay porn sites. I'm not paying for it, but many do even with all the free stuff. All markets change, you don't get paid enough, do something else.
     
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    I think there are very few sex workers who earn royalties from their work. It seems like a very closed market, to me, so being "competitive" is kinda hard. Mainstream stuff has a huge market, spinoff merchandising, etc., and production costs to rival a small country's budget. Typical porn is just the opposite, and although I would love to see what kind of profits (percentages, anyway) they make, there is just too limited a market to think in terms of "mass marketing" value.
    I most often will just look at the free clips and/or short vids, which are basically ads or shameless self promotion anyway.

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    Yes, but the question was more specifically geared towards whether or not it is "right" that these free sites exist because many porn stars claim that companies are not able to hire people because of revenue losses. Personally, I use free sites mainly because the asking price for said content is too high typically. I do not see why some of these companies can't move to a model similar to Hulu. I would not mind having to watch a 30-second advertisement for Adam & Eve, so the actors/actresses can get paid.
     
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    Let them eat cake. Er, I mean let them clean hotel rooms or something else that doesn't require a boob job.
     
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    Been a while since I have been to free porn site. From now on I think I will stick to my collection of DVDs. Don't know why but like I enjoy it much better lol
     
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    It's sex. Many people watch porn, but do not admit to it in surveys necessarily. To be honest, I'm not sure how accurate this Forbes.com report is though.
     
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    To play devil's advocate for a second, one might argue why don't people just torrent mainstream films with the same mindset? Why are you content to watch porn for free but are willing to put down cash for a romcom, horror film, etc.? It's all entertainment, is it not?
     
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    I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not paying for porn. They wouldn't make a dime off of me.
     
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    That true BC. I haven't paid for porn in who knows how long. I go to free sites that always has something different in them that the same DVD. I guess you are trying to relate this to movies and music. Even then, I can still watch the newest movies that come out in theateres that day for free online.

    I assume it's already paid for in some way. I don't know how that stuff works.
     
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    The type of free porn sites we're talking about are legal. Torrenting is not. By comparing them to torrenting, you're making free porn sites sound worse than they actually are. Using a legal source for entertainment isn't the same "mindset" as breaking the law.

    People love free things. Why shouldn't they? "Free" is usually just to get people in the door. Inside, there is advertising, merchandising, premium memberships, and so on. "Free" usually gets such a big response that money is made eventually. It's a matter or scale. Free porn sites are so big, a little revenue here and a little revenue there adds up. If porn performers aren't getting a piece of that, they need to be smarter about negotiating their contracts. If I had to take a facial from some steroid-pumped stranger with a semi-hard cock every day of my working life, I'd want to be paid a fortune. But are they so exploited and vulnerable that they simply can't ask for a bigger crust of bread? Then it's back to the hotel worker idea. Some of them are even unionized.
     
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    Didn't I say that I was playing devil's advocate? I thought I did. :eyes I use free sites as well. I'm simply saying a porn star could argue that these free tube sites are the same thing in a way as torrents because they're both means of getting something for free that the consumer would normally have to pay for. I don't work in an industry, so to be fair, I do not know if these companies are having a harder time paying their employees. If companies are losing a lot of money because of these free mediums, how can the employee ask for more bread?

    Quick philosophical question though: Does the mere fact that something is legal make it just? This can be applied to anything in our society, not just porn.
     
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    Confused, how can free sites not be legal? This is America, land of the free. Okay, granted we are one of the least free people in the civilized world, but that's still our ideals.

    Making free porn illegal is censorship, which I oppose in all forms. If you don't want your kids viewing those sites: cybernanny, if you don't want kids watching them On Demand: VChip and parental controls. When the FCC starts censoring the internet, I will join Anonymous.

    Besides, if big porn names started fighting for censorship, there would be a backlash against them. Look at what happened with WMG, they censored Youtube and as a result people boycotted them. They lost more money because of the boycotts to them playing the Gestapo than they would have it they let a small portion of their revenue leak into free Youtube, and P2P and torrent networks are so advanced, they didn't stop anyone from getting content.
     
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    I'll have to agree with meeee. She gives great advice
     
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    I understood you the first time, and I replied to the torrent analogy directly.

    LOL. Let's label the porn industry for what it is: Capitalism.
     
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    Censorship would apply to whether or not the content is considered offensive. That is not the argument here. The hypothetical argument is whether or not it is unethical to allow content that you would normally pay for to be free. As far as I know, these companies have not agreed to release this content on these free sites (Hulu, on the other hand, has gone through the necessary legal channels to do so with mainstream content).
     
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    You're saying the only thing that separates it, or should separate it, from being legal or illegal is streaming versus downloading? Torrents are illegal because they can be downloaded and saved, and free tube sites are legal because consumers have to stream it instead (even though it is very easy to get a third-party application to download said video)?

    Anything that makes some sort of revenue is capitalism, so I'm not sure what your point is there. Porn should be free because it is "easy" and mainstream films should have a monetary value attached to them because they take more effort to make?
     
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    I think what Mee's hinting at is that there are lots of "unjust" stuff that goes on in the name of capitalism.

    I'm curious about the whole "free" issue. Maybe I'm naive, but isn't there controls on these things? Are there not ways to stop "stealing" and re-selling vids on the web? I would think that if "free" sites are stealing copyrighted materials, they'd be gone pretty quickly. And companies who produce them wouldn't keep on if they weren't making a profit. As stated before, I think most of it is promotion, and "free" sites make money by selling ads and re-directs. It's all in the number of page views, etc.
     
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    The porn stars I've been able to talk to thanks to the Internet claim that companies are having more trouble hiring because their profit margins have decreased quite a bit since the percentage of people that buy porn has gone down. As I have said, I don't really have a problem paying for porn necessarily. If the prices are reasonable, people are generally willing to pay for things. It's when prices become unreasonably high that people turn to things such as torrent sites for content. If you don't believe me, think back to the early Napster days. It became especially worse when musicians started complaining about said sites.

    I'm still not quite sure how paying for content versus getting it for free is censorship. Censorship is when content is not allowed based on some sort of objection to whatever the content is. Banning certain books from school libraries, for example, is censorship.
     
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    Requiring someone to "pay" for something can be a way of limiting access. For instance, it is illegal for the government to charge a "tax" on newspapers. Why? Because a government could (and many in history have) limited one's access to opposing viewpoints simply by requiring one to pay an exorbitant fee for it. While not censorship in it's simplest form, it can be quite effective, and is used in one way or another all the time, and not just by the government...

    The worst part is that few people recognize this type of "control" for what it is.

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