The Cock and the Puss: Supply and Demand

As everyone and their aunts know by now, this site is flooded by guys desperately showing off their cocks, to nearly everyone's irritation. Meanwhile, a few women (God bless them) have also shown off their goodies, usually leading to "thumbs up" and...um...similar reactions . I am not here to point at any hypocrisy, as I am completely on board with it, but it's also a bit odd isn't it? The supply of cock is enormous, but the demand is minuscule, whereas the pussies get all the attention they want. It's the same with nearly everything sexual. Men buy more sex and porn than women, and I think female porn stars get paid triple the amount of the guys. It's not always easy to be a guy. "You got cock to sell? Sorry we're overstocked!"

I strongly suspect that the whole thing is biological, but before throwing any explanations at you, I would like to hear what you think, and if you think looking at cocks has any merit at all (gays and girls or in-betweens).

Footnote:I got the name of the thread from the game "Dreamfall" which is one of the few video games I have had the time to play the last few years. There are a couple of 'medieval' bars there with some very suggestive names

I think it is biological. Also, I like to look at the cock I am currently fucking, but not just random cocks.

Look anywhere, even in the "personals" section of sites and the majority of people looking for "hookups" are male.

*I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,*
*but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.*

So, wait, what?

Actually there's been some news in the recent past that women are making up more and more of the market for purchasing porn.

As for the rest, well, it makes sense. There's a glut of guys who wanna have sex, and get paid for sex. Women can be a lot more selective. Not to mention the female bodyform is far easier on the eyes and pleasing to look at in general.

cocks aren't that appealing to look at, you can only see so many before they all start looking the same....

pussies are like snowflakes, they're all different

So men are more desperate? Yeah, I guess we are
Biologically speaking, it actually "pays off" more in the long run for men to be that way. A horny man with lots of women can have many children within one year. It translates into fitness (not athletic fitness [well that too] but the biological term, as in the 'survival of the fittest').

A woman with a harem of men will still usually end up with only one baby per year maximum (except for twins). She also has to go through the pregnancy and survive the birth (this was far from certain back in the day). It pays off to be more picky.

I know some social scientists hate this kind of explanations, but there you have it. What people often dislike most is that they feel that it means that everyone should fit into this pattern, but that's not really what I'm saying. Even if we have all sorts of individual differences, the general trends still hold true.

I'm still not quite as certain about why guys tend to like certain visual signals more than women though. To add to the confusion, some heterosexual women even like the sight of naked women more than naked men. Perhaps women just happen to be 'prettier' plain and simple? Well, I think so certainly

My wife could take or leave looking at it, but she gets much more enjoyment out of using it.

My mom tried to say something to the effect that "if you have seen what one woman looks like down there, you have seen them all". Not true, but I suspect she hadn't really been looking.

Cocks can come in all sorts of shapes and sizes though.

Okay, here's another made-up essay by HR:
The homo-sapien body, more or less in the form we know it today, emerged from the various great apes a couple of hundred thousand years ago. It has only been tens of thousands of years since we started seriously making specialized tools and learning to modify our environment to suit our needs. In archaeological terms that's a very short time for us to have achieved anywhere near our current brain power; thinking about who we are, where we came from and where we're going.

Reproduction in huge numbers was the only way to stay ahead of attrition, as the lifespans were very short while we were progressing out of those pre-historic times. Our sexual wiring was a necessary combination of desire, aggression (men) and submission (women; think man clubbing woman and inseminating her). It's actually only been a couple of hundred years, if that much (I'm guesstimating), since we have begun to live long enough to see our offspring live to adulthood. That's a very short time for our natural sexual behavior to have adapted in evolutionary terms, to the less aggressive needs of 17th and 18th century human reproduction.

Now, to make things even more unbalanced, we've used technology to extend our lifespans even more, and worse yet; removing survival of the fittest from the human population equation has made for billions of men and women who are not at all far removed from our hardwired instincts of the bronze age.

So, men still want to preen and posture to attract the finest woman he can find, but in fact he'll take any one who happens by, just to ensure the race survives. The Flashers.

There are now modern laws and religions in place to protect women and deter men from the predatory male sex drive. And with lots of browbeating and threats of prison or Hell, men have grudgingly complied, and are re-forming our behavior. But genetic, chemical and physical evolution is much slower moving than the progression of our brain-fueled artificial management of our clean, comfortable and safe environment, so we still feel the pull of our history to be sexually aggressive, and it shows in the less well adapted and immature males... the dick flashers.

Modern women, genetically predisposed to be more passive, are less likely to care about casting about their sexual prowess (thank goodness for those that do), and are therefore less In Your Face about trying to attract attention.

Okay, scholars of SF, I'm not trained in the sciences I have put forth here. I basically put this together from bits and pieces I've learned over the years, so if y'all think I'm way off base, please don't thrash me too badly, just tell me where I'm wrong.

If a woman is on a street corner and a red Lamborghini pulls up, opens a hydraulic gullwing door to reveal a dapper well put together man who smiles and invites her for a ride, there's a chance she may cautiously accept and get in the car.

On the other hand, a '71 Datsun B-210 with the door handles rusted off and smoke billowing out of the exhaust pulls up; the window doesn't go up anyway, so it's clear that there is a reasonably decent looking girl behind the wheel. She says, Who wants to go for a ride, guys are climbing over each other to try and get in the car.

We're different that way.

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Ok, I don't want to be a blog whore, so forgive me. But I did just write an article about this in the last couple of weeks.

Women now make up 30% of the porn purchasing market. That doesn't seem like a lot, but it's a dramatic increase from a few years ago.

If you're interested in the article, pm me for the link. If you're not, please forgive my speaking to it. I don't mean to incite--just make it available for those interested.

Redlace, you can go ahead and post a link to your article here, since it is relevant to the discussion.

HR

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I will give it a shot

Our common ancestor with the other apes are far older than that, but OK. I should mention that there is more and more data suggesting that evolution can be surprisingly rapid though, even though it is still mainly Darwin's natural selection at work.

OK, I think you are joking a bit about the "clubbing" scenario. It has happened throughout, and was probably never the norm. I just thought I should point that out. Also, I think the average lifespans we hear about from ancient times are a bit askew due to high infant mortality, although it was certainly shorter. Wild apes sometimes see their offspring grow to adulthood, and I think that was probably the case with early humans too. Still, having lots of kids helps your biological fitness for sure. I think you underrate people living thousands of years ago though. They could be surprisingly sophisticated in their views about sexuality in ancient cultures. There is an ancient Greek play about women going on a "sex-strike", much to the guys' frustration (written ca 400 BC). Although it was fiction, it was still implied that they couldn't just rape them all.
This is something I often hear, so I know why you think this, but it could be completely wrong. Survival of the fittest is apparently never out of any equation, no matter how good we are at surviving. The selection may shift, but there is still selection. There could possibly be a slight shifting towards wanting kids more than sex, since lots of sex does not necessarily result in lots of kids anymore, but it takes many generations to see the effects. Still other parts of the world aren't always using the same kinds of birth control etc, so it depends on where things go from here. I guess you are saying that natural selection lags behind cultural evolution, which is true.

But men have made most of the rules until recently, and "clubbing and inseminating" was never seen as acceptable except for in war. I think it was always the last resort for frustrated and/or aggressive men. More successful men would usually find a woman either by charming her parents or the girl herself. Notice that romantic love is also pretty ingrained in our brains. It can actually be so powerful that it leads to suicide in some cases. Men often go nuts when they fall in love.

Yes and no. Perhaps they are more passive in some ways, but women are actually far better at attracting attention. Some spend a lot of time on it every day, often with spectacular results.


Some think that women are impressed by wealth and resources due to nesting behavior. A prof I know has shown that most female birds are more impressed by males with nice territories (resources) than males with nice plumage (looks). He jokingly suggested that human females may be the same way. Chances are that he's right.

Speak for yourself.

I think you are right in that our culture often assumes that we are more civilized than we actually are. We ain't nothing but mammals, as they say in the song.

Thanks, Trond. I'll just stick to electronics if it ever comes up in Sexual Forums. At least I know the facts about that, so I won't have to make up a leaky story. So I basically butchered a few hundred words. Damn, it sounded good to me when I cooked it up.

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No problem . I am completely lost when it comes to electronics, so I guess we're even.