21 years old, and still a virgin!

By all means...if you have little respect for women and would rather treat them like conquests than human beings, read it. And you will learn precisely the correct moves for turning off any woman with an ounce of self-esteem or dignity in her body. But if you're anxious to bang whatever piece of ass you can lay your hands on, then go for it, babe. Never let it be said that I tried to stand between a man and his chosen destiny.

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The most beautiful make-up of a woman is passion. But cosmetics are easier to buy. ~Yves Saint Laurent

The sexiest parts of my body are my brain, my heart, my spine, and my guts.

Oh...here's maybe a good thread for you...how to tell somebody you wanna do 'em without telling 'em you wanna do 'em...flirting via innuendo and double-entendre. And most of it is pretty darned funny, so you kill the proverbial two birds with the proverbial one stone....tell 'em you wanna do 'em without telling 'em you wanna do 'em, while makin' 'em laugh too.

http://www.sexualforums.com/talk/showthread.php?t=15916

BD

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Dude...based on how you've described yourself, you just don't sound like a potential "player" to me. I actually think you'd be wasting your time and barking up the wrong tree. From what I can read in your posts, you have a good heart...REAL women will be highly attracted to that, especially if you have or develop a good sense of humor, and learn to be a decent lover. You probably won't get to lay the young girls who have no earthly idea what they want in a partner without being a "player", but I'm not sure that's any big loss...IMHO, of course.

Again, the question might very well be...do you just want a bunch of one-night stands, OR do you want to actually have sex repeatedly with someone whom you actually like as a person and who remotely resembles a girl-friend. Define your goal first!

If the site you keep mentioning doesn't cost an arm and a leg, I'd say go for it. It doesn't seem like any kind of loser-ish way to meet women to me. You can always cancel your membership if you don't like it, and just consider it a learning experience.

BD

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So this "Game" is bad. Didn't realize it, but I should've known... I would never, think lower of girls, it's just not me. And I apologize if I offended, it wasn't my intention.
Well I'm looking for a meaningful relationship, but I'm not against the idea of one night stands. If everyone has casual encounters or sex without any strings attached, why can't I? However, I would probably just make a bigger deal out of it than I should.

Sex is like Pizza... better or worse, it's always good.

There is nothing wrong with casual encounters...it's just that there are different approaches, some more respectful than others. You just have to decide who you are and what you want your behavior to say about you, because, trust me, it speaks louder than words ever could. If you want to spend a fun, memorable night with a woman who piques your interest, then all you have to do is gain a little confidence and be yourself. If you want to "score" as many chicks as possible, or the hottest chick in the room is your "goal", well, your demeanor is going to say "slimeball", and you may as well train yourself up accordingly. Just be sure that your behavior and objectives are in sync with your values is all. You know what women appreciate most? A guy who takes an active interest in them, who makes them feel like they're the most beautiful, fabulous woman in the room. Your personality will appeal to those women you're compatible with (if only for a night), so there's no call to turn yourself into a smarmy bad boy () to attract women. Besides, you never know, a one-nighter could turn into a two-nighter, or a two-weeker, or a three-yearer, and you aren't going to meet the kind of person that could happen with by pretending to be someone else (or by playing ethically dubious "head games" with women--real women do not go for head games).

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The most beautiful make-up of a woman is passion. But cosmetics are easier to buy. ~Yves Saint Laurent

The sexiest parts of my body are my brain, my heart, my spine, and my guts.

When I had a lot of women friends a great many dated slimeballs and passed on this nice guy so being the nice guy is great but many women are not ready for that.I can remember this women who slept with one of my roommates and she knew he was a dog or another woman I was after and treated over the top until I finally got tired of her playing games and her not wanting to go further in the relationship,then she found a nice EX-con who was a loser. I think anybody can meet a lot of women it just calls for changing your attitude and going after them,I have scene guys change in your situation into players and they got what they were after,if it was a long term relationship or lots of girls.

I see what you're saying ctown, but my thought would be this: if she's someone shallow enough to choose some total loser over a "nice guy" who actually had something to offer, then would you really want to be in a relationship with her? I wouldn't...I'd see her as a loser and I simply wouldn't be interested. If you're after sex only, then yeah, maybe...looking for a worthwhile relationship, nope don't think so. Sometimes if you just let nature run it's course, things actually work out for the better, IMO.

Now, I do have to make a disclaimer here...I had two one-night stands back in college (actually, one was a one-night stand...the other was more like a 2-3 night stand, kinda like Bluesy mentioned ). The thing was, in both cases we had pretty much nothing to talk about. I don't know if we had a single thing in common other than sexual attraction to each other. It just wasn't particularly...fullfilling?...to me. I much prefer sex with someone that I'm engaged by, that I have some sort of connection with. It's much better sex, IMO. Now, it might only be someone I've known for a week or two, or been on a couple or three dates with (or who knows, if it were someone just mind-bendingly engaging, maybe even a few hours or a couple days, I dunno...never been in that situation)...but for me (and here I go being a "girlie-man" again) the sex is just much better with some sort of emotional connection involved. Regardless, I decided that picking up chicks only to bonk 'em just wasn't my thing. Now, I'm not judging the concept of totally casual sex with someone you've just met, nor the people who might engage in it...I'm merely saying it doesn't work for me, I like to get to know the lady first. But then, I'm as much (or maybe more) attracted to what's on the inside as I am what's on the outside.

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I am so glad you said this! I'm getting tired of this "slimeballs get all the girls" crapola. Psychologically healthy, non-slimeballish women are not attracted to guys who treat them like shit Holy crimey, I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's no reason on earth why a genuinely nice guy who's got his head on straight (and enough confidence to let those wonderful qualities shine through) can't meet an equally fab gal. Some people lack social skills or consistently flounder in establishing connections with others for different reasons...there is something for this, it's called interpersonal therapy. There are classes, groups, and so on and so forth. There are always healthy solutions to these obstacles for those who are interested in them.

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The most beautiful make-up of a woman is passion. But cosmetics are easier to buy. ~Yves Saint Laurent

The sexiest parts of my body are my brain, my heart, my spine, and my guts.

Hmmmm, I always attracted slimeballs, and then when I found a nice one, I could't do that right. I think i will become a nun

I have to disagree. If you're open minded enough, the Game is the best book available, as it shows you not only exactly what not to be if you're looking for an actual relationship, but it does give you some degree of insight into body language.

I read it recently and found it relatively interesting -- I'm not a guy who looks for one night stands by any means (Still a virgin), but just a few days after I read it I found it incredibly useful for day-to-day situations with meeting new girls. You only need to grab their attention, then the rest is all you and personality. Something that you can't teach.

I've been having a hard time finding girls that want "a nice guy"... all girls always seem to be interested in douches. And with most of girls I know, I'm in the "friend zone". You know what I'm talking about... they're too much of a friend to get involved. I've lost count on how many times I got that answer.

Sex is like Pizza... better or worse, it's always good.

Show me a guy who says, "Women don't like nice guys", and I will show you a guy who is doing something--unwittingly, perhaps--that is turning women off. Either it's the lack of confidence, maybe it's an air of desperation (women are repelled by that, too), or a personality quirk that is preventing you from establishing a real connection with someone, but something is going on there. I'd have to spend a fair amount of time in your real-life presence to get a better idea of what the problem might be...it's impossible to tell these things over the internet. If you have a good friend whom you can trust to give brutally honest feedback (a woman would be best), ask her/him for a no-holds-barred appraisal of your personality, ask them to tell you if there are things that you say/do that might be counteracting your finer qualities. We all have flaws, and sometimes they interfere with our ability to connect with people.

It could be (and it's a very real possibility) that your self-esteem issues have given you something of a hard edge, made you somewhat negative...maybe self-deprecating...something that could use tweaking. I don't know you, so I'm just throwing out possibilities. But I will tell you that the "nice guys finish last" line is an excuse. It's one of those phony feel-better lines people feed themselves when they're feeling frustrated and hopeless. Rather than trying to buoy yourself up with what even you know, deep down, to be sweet-sounding BS, you could do something constructive...you could seek out others' feedback, you could begin a critical self-assessment (do you meet all the criteria you're looking for in a partner? Like attracts like), you could look into counseling (smartest thing yet).

Something is hindering your ability to make a good impression. It's up to you to decide if you've got the balls to tackle this issue head on.

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The most beautiful make-up of a woman is passion. But cosmetics are easier to buy. ~Yves Saint Laurent

The sexiest parts of my body are my brain, my heart, my spine, and my guts.

Perhaps we should quantify just a bit what "nice guys" means, eh? To me, it means generally treating others the way you'd like to be treated. That says it all right there, doesn't it?

Being a "nice guy" does NOT mean you have to be someone's door mat, nor does it mean you can't have plenty of sex (even from multiple partners, as long as there's no deception involved...and note that "deception" is different from "privacy"), nor does it mean that you have to give continuously without getting anything back (although that's how you should give...you just have to insure that you give to someone who has the same mindset, then it all works nicely).

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Good point. "Nice" could mean just about anything...not to mention, it's a highly relative term. One person's "nice" is another's "decent", and yet another's "jerk with a few redeeming qualities". I like your definition

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The most beautiful make-up of a woman is passion. But cosmetics are easier to buy. ~Yves Saint Laurent

The sexiest parts of my body are my brain, my heart, my spine, and my guts.

You can say what ever you want,but I know what I experienced at three different colleges and my friends after school,these were your regular college guys that wanted to get laid and THEY TREATED THEIR WOMEN LIKE CRAP AND ALWAYS HAD WOMEN AND THE WOMEN KEEP COMING BACK OR THEY WOULD FIND ANOTHER ONE,these were women who were going to school and later on women who were educated and in the business world so these were not mentally messed up people.
BASS DUDE I respect your post and I am glad the women in your life back in the day liked the nice guy,BUT once again I know what I experienced [not an opinion ]if you are to nice you are put into the friend category and you will not be having as good of time as your friends.
The people I knew including myself who I considered nice to women, met any term you want to put out there.
MAKESMEWONDER Like I said earlier I was in your spot years ago and until you get a girl do not have so many women who are just friends,The guys I knew years ago had zero women friends except me who had no girlfriend until I stopped having so many women friends and changed my personality and started getting women.
I have also found that later in life when women finally get tired of the guys who do not treat them good they come to the nice guys and we are appreciated.