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Originally Posted by Bluesy Oy vey. Thank you for sharing your opinions in this thread, LogicMan. The original poster was seeking advice on how to coerce his partner into having anal... Well, pardon, but I simply don't feel the need to treat another person respectfully when they show themselves to be devoid of that particular quality themselves. Coercion and cajolery are forms of manipulation, and manipulation is actually a form of emotional abuse. ("Encouraging" is simply a less offensive way of saying "manipulating".) When you apply psychological pressure to participate in a sexual activity (e.g. pleading, bargaining, repeated attempts at persuasion), your behavior is saying, "MY desires have a higher priority to me than YOUR needs." That's juvenile behavior, sir. A sign of stunted emotional maturity is the narcissistic drive to have others gratify your desires at the expense of their personal boundaries. Emotionally mature people allow their partners to decide what sexual activities they want to participate in on their OWN time, free of psychological pressure. That means putting your desires on the back burner and putting your partner's needs first. *gasp!* That would be an immensely difficult task for an immature, selfish kind of person.  |
Bluesy,
The original poster was seeking advice on how to coerce his partner into having anal... Well, pardon, but I simply don't feel the need to treat another person respectfully when they show themselves to be devoid of that particular quality themselves. Coercion and cajolery are forms of manipulation, and manipulation is actually a form of emotional abuse. ("Encouraging" is simply a less offensive way of saying "manipulating".) When you apply psychological pressure to participate in a sexual activity (e.g. pleading, bargaining, repeated attempts at persuasion), your behavior is saying, "MY desires have a higher priority to me than YOUR needs." That's juvenile behavior, sir. A sign of stunted emotional maturity is the narcissistic drive to have others gratify your desires at the expense of their personal boundaries. Emotionally mature people allow their partners to decide what sexual activities they want to participate in on their OWN time, free of psychological pressure. That means putting your desires on the back burner and putting your partner's needs first. *gasp!* That would be an immensely difficult task for an immature, selfish kind of person.
Thanks for your posting and not flying off the handle though we still REMAIN to have a difference of opinion. I’m sure there are MANY users (men & women both) who would agree with this posting you’ve said to me. However, to be fair, on the other side of the coin, I’m sure there are MANY who would actually agree with me and Jack Morin, Ph.D., the nation's leading EXPERT on anal eroticism when he said that it’s about communication, discussion and exploring in a non-pressured conversation on what your partner LIKES are and DISLIKES are. I guess no two people will ever agree on the same subject. I guess that’s why everyone needs to FIND a partner who has the same likes & dislikes.
If you already are involved in a relationship and if you’re a WOMAN, then you should NEVER-EVER encourage him to do something like:
1) Oral sex (if he does not one to) – Tell HER she’s a nasty B**** and mouths were made to EAT & SPEAK with, NOT to have SEX with. Don’t ever bring it up, or try to discuss or encourage me or mention that again to go down on your vagina because they would be Coercion, Persuasion, Manipulation or even bargaining! I DARE you! If your girlfriend continue to tell you her oral-fantasies ever again, she is being (in your own words below): immature, manipulative, forcing, etc. etc. SHAME SHAME on her! I dare her ever try to have her dirty –little fantasies fulfill in her mind. She should be satisfied sexually and live the remainder of her life based on what you guys both been doing for all those years. NEVER ENCOURAGE TO UPGRADE! Don’t ever talk about it.
I guess that makes perfect sense since your put it that way. I was kind of thinking as most sex experts recommends that “no subject should be taboo” and that partners should be SHARING his & HERS sexual experience is a great experience to LEARN together. But never force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do. Encourage yes.
FINALLY:
Can you imagine a couple (like one of my best friends) that’s been with his girlfriend since they were both about 16 years old. They are old sweet and old-fashion and claim they never had sex until they got married at 22 years old. Good for them. According to him, for the first about 5 years of their marriage they never tried any type of sex except vagina sex in the laying down in bed way. He even said no doggie style either. Then after 8 years of they marriage (according to him) SHE was the one who started getting bored (not HIM my friend). SHE wanted to try out new things. Some of the things he wasn’t enthusiastic about trying, others he was! Now HE enjoys MANY NEW sexual positions & things that SHE introduced to the bedroom. He told me that there are still things he would not do that she ENCOURAGES them to try but he at least hears her out, discuss it and they BOTH decide on what they will be doing in the bedroom. Oh yea, she still tries to encourage him to do some things and it does NOT bother him at ALL! However, based on what you’re saying, Shame on her! She Coerce, Cajolery, Manipulated him and got all kind of ENJOYABLE practices into their bedroom – many he thought he could never enjoy. EVIL FEMALE! What should we do with her
No, in actuality SHE never but a gun or knives to his head she just encourage him and they are still happy and yes GASPING TOO after all these years. Think about it, if he would never have allowed her to encourage him to explore (without force). He would still be content sexually, however, SHE would be stuck into a sexual-boring marriage just doing in ONE sexual position laying in bed. That is NOT love in a relationship. You should at least here the person out. I’m glad they were open to try out new things that make them BOTH HAPPY & GASPING for joy.
You also mentioned:
Emotionally mature people allow their partners to decide what sexual activities they want to participate in on their OWN time, free of psychological pressure.
In my opinion, not correct. Sex is not a ONE-WAY street but TWO-WAY! They BOTH should decide together. The WOMAN don’t call all the shots. Hey but neither do the MAN. But I agree with you on there should not be any psychological, coerce, forcing pressure. In my opinion, just encouragement and BOTH couples deciding. Explain how this forum is FULL of woman who were originally against anal sex and then changed their mind (some after being encourage) (yes encouraged-no guns used) and SOME say they glad they did it because it’s the best experience they every had!
Finally: I say to each his own. I don’t agree with your opinion but I’ll try to RESPECT it. If a WOMAN have a really deep fantasy that she wants her husband to fulfill, she should NEVER have that fulfill. She should shut the hell up and stop trying to encourage him to ever fulfill it. Ok if you say so… That’s why we all have to be very careful in the partner we choose to make sure he/she opinions and OPENESS matches our. TO EACH HIS OWN!
Coerce (Force, Pressure, intimidate, bullying)
Cajolery (persuasion by flattery)
Persuasion (influence)
Manipulation (exploitation)
bargaining
psychological pressure
Encourage (support, promote, in all fairness it can also mean persuade in an encouraging manner.)